How come if a person is straightforward and honest, and does anything besides cheer and dance for the stupid moves of other people, they are considered mean?
Wednesday, September 12, 2007
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Posted by Paige at 10:39 AM
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"How come if a person is straightforward and honest, and does anything besides cheer and dance for the stupid moves of other people, they are considered mean?"
I would really like to know the answer to this question, too!
There is a huge difference between being straight-forward and honest, and being unnecessarily brutal and mean.
I have never had a major problem with you, Susan, but surely even you see the difference in answering a question posed with a answer, than choosing to attack and belittle someone who asked for nothing from you.
I did no such thing. If I ever chastised anyone, it was in response to them being rude to me first. I do have a right to defend myself. I've always been cordial to everyone, even those who have asked for my opinions on their horses privately, including you, Karen, and many others. I've always tried to help, but all I got was a bunch of warrantless badmouthing on your group. I have been a target of everyone who thinks it's ok to criticize me because of my knowledge or the way I deliver that knowledge. That is human nature, I suppose, and something I've gotten used to. But I've never been rude or condescending to anyone and have always been honest and straightforward. If possessing a bit of knowledge and being a straightforward writer causes one to appear that way, I don't know what to say...other than that's a real shame. I've spent an entire lifetime learning all I can about what I do, yet sharing that knowledge is somehow a crime in most people's eyes.
I'm not going to spend any more of my time here. I just found the blog due to your friends being posted on the fugly horse site today, and thought I'd comment.
Have a nice day.
Susan
You will notice that I have never ever said anything publicly about you on CD--which is not my group, by the way, I am just a moderator. In fact, I am the moderator that let your comments through--so I LET you say yoru piece when otherwise you would not have been to do it there.
You would do well to not lump all people together either--you had a few people on CD comment about you--which means that 95% did not.
You said this on fugly horse today-- is this not insulting, rude or condescending?
"forthefutureofthebreed said...
OFCOL - It's just probably one of the fugly foundation horse breeders who got pissed off about my opinions on breeding quality horses that will actually IMPROVE the breed. It's no biggie...happens all the time. LOL. You're right, I've never hidden who I am, unlike the many chicken shits out there with bad attitudes, big mouths and poor quality horses. LOL. "
That is what people are talking about when they say your delivery is lacking. And it is not true that people dislike you for your superior knowledge--I for one, respect your knowledge of pedigrees- they dislike you because you are unnecessarily insulting and rude. The above quote is a perfect example of that.
Pick your battles better--I do not need to fight with you because I do not need your approval. If you decide to come back, answer for me how my friend deserved or asked for your hateful comments toward her, when she did not solicit your advice?
Excuse me, but I made no hateful comments about your friend, whoever that is. In fact, I have not commented at all on the "recipient" of today's blog on the comments page. I am not that simple. I am conversing with a few others on the comment page about breeding in general and commenting on posted photos of God-knows-whose horses. I have no idea who woodlandduck is, but whatever their agenda is toward me, it's malicious and childish. Yes, I will respond in kind to someone like that. Things like that are uncalled for, and that is something I have never done to anyone...ever.
Yes, it's nice to have a place where one's comments aren't moderated by some power-hungry control freak. It's called freedom of speech, and productive things can get done without being squashed or insulted. I've always remained civil on every forum unless attacked first. All one has to do is go back and read the archives. Anyone with any pride would do the same. I could repost the comments you made regarding me, but I won't. I don't do things like that, especially in a public forum. But I'm glad you all had a very nice public chat at my expense. I am not the owner of the fugly horse blog. I am just one of several thousand who enjoy the freedom to express ourselves there without moderation.
You know, I said before, I am not the owner of the fugly horse blog, it wasn't my idea, nor do I submit others' pages or blogs to them for publication. I have my own blog for my own subject matter. I do find it ironic that after the mudslinging the CD group did to me, some are now the brunt of the fugly blog. They probably now know how it feels to be on the receiving end of things that can get so twisted out of proportion, sad as that can be.
Susan, you remind me an over zealous bible toting door to door preacher. Either take what I say on yer own or I will force feed it to you and then call you ignorant and going to hell. I would rather not know what you have to say than listen to it said with pontificated self importance from your keyboard Pulpet.
But you cannot deny that you said the things you did, and undoubtedly laughed while you are doing it because you have a silly agenda against an entire group.
That is what is so distasteful---ellysmom did nothing to you, yet you enjoy tearing her up--why?
I never said anything about ellysmom. Ever. I think you are still mistaking me for the person who owns the fugly horse blog, or possibly someone else on the comment page?
I have no agenda other than to state what I have learned.
Bullshit, is what I say to that. Your quote I posted in an earlier comment is rude and hateful, no matter to whom you directed it. And it is specifically your comments I take issue as you are the one that came here to my blog to start this
You just said this on fugly horse, under the same name you are posting with her: "Maybe you should expand your knowledge of Photoshop so that you can rotate your horse's crooked front legs back to the middle? You can move the left one so that the cannon bone is actually under his knee instead of set off to the side the way it is. That sounds like a good project for you, since you also state you are unemployed."
Is that not snide and hateful as well? Are you really that socially inept that you do not see how offensive you are? I cannot believe that with your capacity for learning about pedigrees, you cannot learn basic social skills
Your agenda is clear to anyone who has read more than one sentence from you-- to insult and condemn anyone it crosses your mind to, and doing it in the name of education does not change that fact. It is a thin disguise for nastiness, and not a very good one at that.
If your goal is not to hurt ellysmom, then lay off her.
Wait... what?
FUGLYHORSEOFTHEDAY said that, not FORTHEFUTUREOFTHEBREED.
Your issue is more with the owner of the blog fuglyhorseoftheday, Cathey, not FTFOTB.
While the blog comments generally ARE rather snarky and can be offensive, there is a great deal of TRUTH to ALL of the postings there.
While I have no dog in this fight, I just wanted to set the record straight - it's Cathey you want to take it up with, not Susan.
Yeah... you're wrong.
Fuglyhorseoftheday (Cathey) said that little ditty about his legs being crooked as a politicians - because they ARE - not Susan.
And I wouldn't take ANY vet's opinion... you pay their salary! You REALLY think he's going to disagree with you??? That's like having a paid yes-man on staff to agree with you on everything.
where is there a quote about legs being as crooked as a politician?
And if your vet is a yes man to you, you need a new one. Mine absolutely is not one--we disagree all the time, and when it is a medical issue, he wins because he is the professional. If it is a legal issue, I win, because I am the professional.
Susan wrote: I've always been cordial to everyone, even those who have asked for my opinions on their horses privately, including you, Karen
Remember this is NOT Karen's blog but belongs to Paige Strawn. Are you confused....yet again about who you talk to, who you talk about and where you are?
Funny thing, Susan......it's always "warrantless badmouthing" when it comes home to roost for you isn't it?
You stir things up and then you say I'm leaving or I won't be back, then on the places you can lurk you do.
Chicken shit indeed.
Holly who is NOT afraid to sign her name.
Umm, I never said ANYTHING about ellysmom, her horses, or anyone's horses. I made no comment about them whatsoever. That is NOT my blog! Ellysmom, I don't know your horses, and I am not a member of the CD group. I don't know where you people get your information, but you might want to check your sources. I do have friends on your group who keep me informed, but I am not a member. I have no other ID on the blogger, either. I have never hidden who I am, I posted photos of my horses, and I keep an icon of my stallion on my ID every time I post. Everyone knows who he is, who I am, and I have nothing to hide. I have my opinions on breeding, which everyone has. I have torn no one up, and I resent being accused of doing so.
Susan wrote: You know, I said before, I am not the owner of the fugly horse blog, it wasn't my idea, nor do I submit others' pages or blogs to them for publication.
What are you talking about? Nobody here, on this blog ever said you were the owner. This is another favorite tactic of yours....sideswipe the conversation to something else.
Susan wrote: I never said anything about ellysmom
This is pretty funny. The same "accomplishments" they criticize other peoples' horses for...but wait...they're "foundation". I guess that makes it ok for them not to have done shit or sired/produced shit. Add fugly and a mediocre pedigree and you have the definition of a BYB breeding program.
This was direct specifically at ellysmom.
Hypocrite....yep, that's what you are. You want everyone else to have a "proven" horse if they stand one, but you don't need to....
poor susan...
Holly who, again, isn't afraid to sign her name.
Do you have multiple personalities that do not keep in touch with each other?
How can you deny direct quotes?
Yeah, I'm sorry, but if your vet said he was stud quality with those angles and those crooked front legs, his credibility in the conformation department would go directly out the window.
and I just shortened and added on the 'as a politician' part to what Cathey said, I didn't quote her.
Clearly you are more confused--I do not own the palomino stud you are carrying on about, nor is that my vet.
Pay closer attention.
paige said, "You just said this on fugly horse, under the same name you are posting with her: "Maybe you should expand your knowledge of Photoshop so that you can rotate your horse's crooked front legs back to the middle? You can move the left one so that the cannon bone is actually under his knee instead of set off to the side the way it is. That sounds like a good project for you, since you also state you are unemployed."
Is that not snide and hateful as well? Are you really that socially inept that you do not see how offensive you are? I cannot believe that with your capacity for learning about pedigrees, you cannot learn basic social skills"
Paige, I didn't post that. This is a perfect example of someone taking something SOMEONE ELSE SAID and accusing another of saying it! If you want to see what I have posted on the fugly blog, look next to the little black and white horsie icon. Those are my posts. My responses to anyone are usually in bold type, so not to be confused with someone else's remarks.
By God you are right, I will give you credit for being right on that one---I apologize for that.
Now see how easy that was?
How do you explain calling people "chicken shits with bad attitudes, big mouths and poor quality horses" in a way that does not make you obnoxious and rude?
I never said you did own him, I was using the broader use of 'you'.
I wouldn't want people thinking I owned him either, I don't blame you for correcting me on that. ;)
You are obnoxious. You were talking to me on my blog as if I owned him. If that is what you meant, you need some communication lessons. Don't be obtuse.
In any event, the point remains--a professional will not necessarily be a yes man--that is not professional. My vets certainly are not yes man and women who agree with everything I say -- not by a long shot.
But I guess to insult the integrity (professional or otherwise) of someone else you do not know, such as the vet ellysmom uses, you do not need to be reasonable. After all, why should you start now?
Go back and play with people who are sympathetic to your brand of unpleasantness.
For "oh for crying out loud"..
I have a question for you. Why are you so mean spirited? What happened in your life to make you so hateful?
You do not know me at all but yet you sit there all high and mighty judging me and my horses as well as my friends. What gives you the right to do that? I've never said I was a 'breeder, nor a trainer". I don't even consider myself an expert on anything equine, that's why I ask so many questions, of those that DO know and who's opinion I respect and trust. Be it Paige or my Vet's or a trainer or the farrier. I've had many people evaluate my palomino stud.
My vet isn't a "yes man", I pay him to give me his HONEST opinion, which he has done on many occassions.
It's NONE of your business who I've had evaluate him, it's none of your business what they have said either. But I will tell you that everyone that has seen him, like him a lot. If you don't, fine, matters not to me. I don't know you, nor do I care to. Your a mean and spiteful person with a lot of hate in your heart.
forthefutureofthebreed said...
Umm, I never said ANYTHING about ellysmom, her horses, or anyone's horses.
If you don’t recall saying anything in response to the post on the Fugly Blog, then I suggest you go back and look at your own post today.>
forthefutureofthebreed said...
I made no comment about them whatsoever. Again, please go back, same as above.
forthefutureofthebreed said...
That is NOT my blog! Okay, but you are a regular critic are you not?
forthefutureofthebreed said...
Ellysmom, I don't know your horses, and I am not a member of the CD group.
I beg to differ with you here as I have personally read your posts on the CD group. And your two different names have been just banned. Are you not: horsebooks55 and bloodlines@gbis.com?
forthefutureofthebreed said...
I don't know where you people get your information, but you might want to check your sources. Who exactly is “you people”? And what does that statement mean?
forthefutureofthebreed said...
I do have friends on your group who keep me informed, but I am not a member.
I am sure you have some friends, and I am sure “they” who ever they are, have nothing better to do than “keep you informed”. What are you the police or an FBI agent? You have your very own informants and all huh? Well you must feel really important. WOW.
forthefutureofthebreed said...
I have no other ID on the blogger, either. I have never hidden who I am, I posted photos of my horses, and I keep an icon of my stallion on my ID every time I post. Everyone knows who he is, who I am, and I have nothing to hide. Okay, and…?
forthefutureofthebreed said...
I have my opinions on breeding, which everyone has. I have torn no one up, and I resent being accused of doing so. That is so true that everyone has an opinion. I just wonder why Susan, if you are what you really claim, and that is trying to educate people, why doesn’t anyone want to learn from you? I personally love to study pedigrees and learn about all of the old horses that developed a breed. And I know that if you were a better teacher, we would probably get along great and I might actually like you. But, since you are rude and like to always put down people (as I have witnessed first hand), I wouldn’t ever give you the opportunity to teach me anything. I will go to a person who enjoys teaching and is someone I can truly learn something from. I am a no bullshit, no kiss ass type of person. I don’t go for either.
For Crying out Loud--what you do not understand is that the reaction and focus on Susan is a result of years of dealing with her---not just todays's events.
While I think Cathy's post are hateful as well, she did not come to my blog and throw it in my face. Susan did and at that point, the game was on.
She keeps accusing me of having mistreated her as a moderator of another group and the fact is that I have approved every post she ever sent, so this crap about being silenced is a load of shit. Also, until today when things got out of hand, I NEVER said a negative thing about her on that group.
Today changed everything.
You are right though, it is not all her doing today, but with her history, it is easy to focus on her.
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